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Post by Balkan Imperial Republic on May 13, 2013 23:02:20 GMT -5
3 justices, we should have an odd number.
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Post by Walmart on May 13, 2013 23:03:01 GMT -5
GOR I don't see how that follows Swiss's proposal.
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Post by scheinfeld on May 13, 2013 23:03:07 GMT -5
lets take the cpe system to perspective, the nations cannot try the WAD till after being office stability reasons
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Post by The Swiss Council on May 13, 2013 23:03:09 GMT -5
A slightly modified version: Executive Council: -The President (founder) -Chancellor (WAD) -Minister of Security (Defense and Membership) -Minister of FA -Minister of Justice (governmental attorney, and organizer of cases) =This body meets separately to carry out its duties much as we do now but in a more organized fashion however here everyone is equal. To further check Senatorial power the Ministers serve as direct advisers in their respective areas by proposing legislation. The Chancellor will then serve as the 'bridge' being both a minister and a Senator. The President is given this position to substitute what is otherwise a boring job of only maintaining security/order. The Minister of Justice (below) serves as a check of executive power by being part of the judicial branch he however is not a Senate adviser, that power is given to the 'Second Justice'. Senate (base level): -Some number + Chancellor (a further check we already have in place) =Must follow provisions allowed in Constitution or the Executive/Judiciary can respectively ignore/veto it and declare it unconstitutional Judiciary (base level): -Two justices and the Minister of Justice =They alone may try the President, along with anyone else. In cases where the government is not a party, any judge may preside. This works for me. But the nations in the region would represent a branch that gets to pass referendums to cancel law passed by the legislature and to pass constitutional amendments. |
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Post by The Swiss Council on May 13, 2013 23:03:48 GMT -5
I am flexible on the # of justices.
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Post by Walmart on May 13, 2013 23:04:52 GMT -5
The WAD can not be both in the Executive and the Legislative.
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Post by This Gallant Old Republic on May 13, 2013 23:05:13 GMT -5
So part of my change is a slightly strange 'check'
Basically every branch has a position that belongs more or less to another one. The Chancellor while part of the Executive Council is part of the Senate, the Justice Minister is part of the judicial but also the Executive Council, and the Associate Justice is a judge and a Senate advisor, the last two serve the function of preventing an executive monopoly on 'advising' the Senate.
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Post by Walmart on May 13, 2013 23:06:19 GMT -5
That is EXTREMELY bureaucratic. I'm not saying it won't work, but goo luck passing it with through all the others.
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Post by This Gallant Old Republic on May 13, 2013 23:06:43 GMT -5
I only barely cover the Senate and Judicial Branck since that is not our job.
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Post by Walmart on May 13, 2013 23:07:29 GMT -5
But the intertwinement of each branch is a lot to handle.
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Post by This Gallant Old Republic on May 13, 2013 23:08:51 GMT -5
Officially speaking the Chancellor is Executive, the Minister is Executive, and the Associate is Judicial, they only serve major functions FOR the other branches whereas the others stay put.
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Post by The Swiss Council on May 13, 2013 23:08:55 GMT -5
I think the good things are that it is efficient, checked and balanced, and everyone must limit their power without giving up power.
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Post by Walmart on May 13, 2013 23:09:02 GMT -5
Alright, I think we should stop at the stage we are. We need to have everyone here to fully bang this out. I move to close debate for today  |
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Post by scheinfeld on May 13, 2013 23:10:27 GMT -5
no we continue work for until Thursday
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Post by The Swiss Council on May 13, 2013 23:10:27 GMT -5
Agreed. I have recorded the proposal in a factbook. We have an idea that needs to be formed into a constitution.
I will advise but not create the constitution to remain as much of an adviser as possible.
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